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It was a very foreseeable outcome from the failure of mayors and governors to quell the terrorist activities of the past 8 months. It was a bad solution, but many felt it was the only one left to them.
This was caused by a failure in voter verification. The mass mail in voting with out a cleanup of the voter roles allow multiple votes, non citizen votes dead people voting, and late arrival of votes. Mail in ballots go out early enough to allow on time returns. States allowed courts to override legislatively established procedures.
By ruling that photo ID is voter suppression, having same day voter registration, not restricting mail in voting except for requested absentee ballot,not requiring verified signatures, not having paper ballots, the Democrats have cheapen the vote in order to open the door for fraud or at least the appearance of fraud. The liberal press and educational system have disenfranchised half of America. By not fixing these things unrest will continue.
It was bound to happened . I other countries if the people don't like what is going on they let the leaders know . We just keep letting the government of the United States do what ever they want . THEY JUST KEEPING TAKING OUR RIGHTS AWAY !!!
I beleive the democrats allowed the protesters to get out of hand by ? influenceing the police not to respond properly and again blame it all on trump w/media help and thier otherpersonal resources to run him out of town.Non profetional politician.Doesn't play thier games needs to go like anyone else who tries to run their government!
What we are seeing is the failure of a poor system that no one wants to fix. There is spotty verification of eligibility; spotty enforcement of Voter ID requirements; changes to voting regulations by officials who had no authority to make changes; multiple states simultaneously suspending vote counting on election night when Trump was leading by a big margin, then ALL THOSE STATES resuming at the same time next morning and coincidentally reporting that a giant surge of votes for Biden only had been counted and suddenly, in all the states, Biden was ahead by a comfortable margin and those states swung the election over to Biden. Does anything here sound fishy? For me, there are TOO MANY COINCIDENCES TO BELIEVE. Sorry, but I think this vote count was rigged and someone or some group is responsible, with perhaps hundreds of Poll Workers being absent or looking the other way while it happened.
I feel disenfranchised and powerless. As a veteran, I feel frustrated that no one will step up to investigate. If I am wrong, show me where I am wrong and I will listen.
There were 60 court cases where Trump's lawyers could have made your claim that there was massive fraud. Those lawyers knew they could face consequences if they made knowingly false claims. They made no claims and presented no evidence because there is none. Only the claims by the likes of Trump, Limbaugh and Hannity.
Things are not the way they are being portrayed. Instead of everyone blaming the current president or the people who were present that were trying to save America, people need to start pointing the fingers at the real enemy. Antifa was there all day & very easy to recognize. Law enforcement should have apprehended them long before they could harm someone. Especially the man in the costume that was identified as the same man from the violence before. Most Patriot's (you may call them Trump Supporters) were back on their buses by 4:00pm while it was still daylight. The rioting appears to be in the evening hours. The people involved were dressed differently that the Patriot's. I think what happened is indeed disgraceful, but because the media continues to blame all of this on Trump Supporters, these innocent Patriotic Americans are being bullied & ridiculed by everyone else. A very large percentage of these Patriot's are Veterans & never saw or heard any of these things the media is claiming happened.
The Chump is for sure responsible for what took place yesterday, all who ransacked our capital should be charged with TREASON.It one thing to protest , violent attacks is not. Any veteran who took part in the mob riot should hold their head down in SHAME for attacking our democracy that they swore to protect. If mob protesters do not like what happens in county go join Chumps buddy putin and leave american.
I agree that if a veteran of any branch is found having been involved they should be treated harshly. We took an oath to defend our countries freedoms and rights and the people of our great nation. That oath is never ending.
I agree!! Prez Bone definitely incited them.
Thank you, I agree!
The FBI and DoJ both confirmed that there were no Antifa present. Just because social media says it does not make it so. The rioting began during daylight, about 1400 hours or so. People were dead before sunset, including two veterans. The 'man in the costume' has been identified and arrested. He is a Trump supporter by his own admission. Unfortunately, veterans WERE involved in the violence and some have been arrested. The officer who died was also a veteran(and Trump supporter). The media is not 'claiming' this happened. They, along with law enforcement(there are closed circuit cameras all over the capitol) have verified, through video and audio evidence the violence of these people. Some of them took their own video/audio and bragged about the attempted takeover and violence/destruction. There were NO patriots involved in this attempted insurrection.
Unscientific Polls are misinformation and, especially, damaging to cohesion of veterans. You should know there are conservatives and progressives in the ranks of the American Legion. If you are going to have a divisive unscientific poll you need to put an (*) and disclaimer about it. You do realize some don't know the difference between a random or unscientific sample. As a veteran, I don't take kindly to having vets decide it's caused by something and, therefore, understandable because A. or B. happened. There's no excuse for it and I could care less about their "cause" it is SEDITION with criminal vandalism and death. If I were the leadership at the Legion, I'd stop offending so many veterans with this kind of poll. Thanks!
Very well put. Thank you.
I agree.This type of "poll" promotes misinformation and divisions within our membership. We are all subjected to an overload of "information". It is difficult to establish/separate opinion, theory, propaganda and fact from reality.
From reading the comments it is clear a significant number are a product of the media sources we listen to.
We all share the common experience of Boot Camp. My DI's favorite comment to us, aside from the colorful expletives was KISS. (keep it simple s------)In civilian life I cleaned it up to "keep it simple system".
Keeping it simple; we all swore an oath to up hold and protect the Constitution. The Constitution gave of a court system, not perfect but picking an attorney is better than picking dueling pistols. Most important it gave us state's rights. Each state establishes an election system for local and federal candidates. Each state resolves election questions by re-counts, court hearings and if needed appeals to the Supreme Court. Each state, 50 of them, after a process certifies the results and for President sends those results to Congress.
Lets keep it simple; regardless of reason any individual that transitions from protestor to criminal destroying property, causing loss of life, must be prosecuted. Any assault on our Constitution requires us to honor our oath.
The demonstration by Trump supporters was peaceful and achieved its purpose to show Congress that it needs to support the citizens. ANTIFA infiltrated the demonstration with the purpose of hurting President Trump. Mr. Biden is a criminal and should not be president.
I think I will wait for arrest records of people inside the building.They have already identified a few. Their ties are with QAnon and Proud Boys. More arrests coming so maybe some of the traitors may be Antifa and BLM, but so far the true facts are not showing that. You may have some alternitive facts that show otherwise. Please but them out there.
I agree , thanks for being a voice of reason.
Could not have said it better myself. Short, factual and to the point.
Are you sure it wasn't the Easter Bunny?
Are you sure it wasn't the Easter Bunny that infiltrated the "peaceful" group?
The riots were a disgrace, they had nothing to do with the Trump issues but were simply an act of breaking the law. These criminals should be tried to the fullest extent of the law.
Riot? If those were rioters they were not very good at it. No one was throwing bricks, frozen bottles of water, fireworks, or Molotov cocktails. Didn't see anyone vandalizing cars, let alone setting cars on fire. TV had one clip of some guys breaking a window, which they ran repeatedly. The bad actors may well have been from the Democrat's paid riot organization. There are reports that some have been identified as such by facial recognition.
5 people dead!
Yes the group you support merely desecrated our nations capital and killed a police officer.
I agree with jjb. The democrats are constantly breaking laws and getting away with it. It's " really " time for us to fight and get our country back.
The perpetrators of the so called riot were 100% wrong in committing the illegal acts but I 100% blame the media and the general hysteria fanned by the Democrats for creating the caustic divide that is so prevalent in the country today and led up to the shameful third world display that we witnessed in the Capitol.
Trump, Rudy, and Donnie no chin incited the riot.
The Commander in Chief said, "And we fight. We fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." His followers took this as an order.
Jake Angeli, who wore horns and furs on his head and had a painted face, described himself as a “shamanic practitioner” and “QAnon digital soldier.” Many erroneously are saying Angeli is part of Antifa and Antifa was the reason for the behavior of those who stormed the Capitol.
It is very sad that Americans are not united against a common enemy but against other Americans.
I agree wake up and open your eyes to what went on in Washington yesterday. I saw a Mob!
Yes, the MOB was Antifa/blm.
Proof please, otherwise keep your ignorance to yourself. Twitter/facebook are not proof.
Regardless of a persons political beliefs, attacking with armed weapons, explosives, and hand held weapons are illegal in any environment. Donald Trump, our current President, demonstrated clearly to be in a poor questionable mental state. He should have denied by all demonstrators Wednesday morning for his call to action against our Legislators at the Capitol. The actions performed were insurgent, treacherous and a public demonstration of shame on our process of Democracy. It is probable that the incited crowd by Trump contained a considerable amount of professional insurgents that interlaced the many misguided protestors. Waving flags, gigling mottos, having another sip of courage and totally unaware of the real damage that they are supporting by their presence. They are there but really don't know truly why. Their confusion and lack of reality allowed them to provide to the rest of the world an ugly demonstration of our Democracy in action.
I think Trup Caused this.I think Trump's actions and words are inexcusable. He has intensionally lied to his supporters about illegal fraudulant voting and whipped them up to stayt in office. The 25 amendment needs to be invoked and Pence needs to take over. Trump is guilty of sedition and treason against our government and I am ashamed to say I voted for him in 2016. He has proven himself to be a con artist, a liar, a cheat and a psychopath. Eveything is only about him. He is dangerous. He has aspirations of being a dictator and admires dictators. Power is his god. He must removed fom the Preaidency NOW.
From all the comments I read, of which I agree in part, I think there's possibly a little of every listed scenario suggested above but the rioters in the DC protest were antagonized by paid activists bused in just like they were in every protest stemming from the LA riots to the Mn riots. These designated activists should be hunted down by the FBI, ATF and the DOJ. I feel inclined to say that the ultra left has been behind every one of these riots and will continue to do so unless law enforcement tracks them down and brings them to justice. I also believe the left are the ones who are wanting to destroy our history and have all of it deleted. It's our history but the way things are going it going to be are future. Shades of the thugs that Hitler and Stalin used to gain power over their countries is happening in this country and the voters are not educated enough to know the difference in who they're electing. This country is already in an anarchy stage and headed straight towards fascism. Their main objective is to destroy the constitution along with it's amendments and create a government that consists of a dictator or an oligarchy. Therefore this country will forever become The Un-united States of America and secede into an abyss of totalitarianism.
These were right wing militia wannabees, not the left.
Politicians have pushed to the left for years. The radicals have gone too far against the grain of patriotic Americans. This could be our Bunker Hill.
I don’t believe the founding fathers or the Constitution ever intended for political office to be a career. Too many believe they are above the laws they impose like a royal fiat. Maybe term limits would eliminate our “political elite” class. A correction of our system is clearly in order.
The popular vote doesn't elect the president; the electoral college does, and the states decide who will be in the electoral college. Once that vote was taken and certified, the election was over. To his credit, Trump then said the transition will be orderly.
But remember how Hilary lost the electoral vote but won the popular vote, and the Democrats and media trolls hounded Trump for three years during the Muller investigation about unverified Russian interference. Now there are affidavits of improper vote counting and videos of tally counters rolling backwards, and (as many have stated) no photo verification of voters. All the people who fled CA for AZ - did they vote in person in AZ and by absentee ballot in CA, since CA didn't purge their rolls before the election? Those questions won't change a 4 million popular vote difference, nor will they affect the now-completed electoral college vote, but they deserve the same scrutiny the Russian accusations got so that the next election is by voters who are on a single registry, have a photo ID, are US citizens, and are alive.
The Election was a farce. If it was honest then the Democrats would not be afraid of recounts or investigations. They would want it to fe fair and correct. Instead it looks fraudulant. It looks like the Big media is only a porpaganda machine for the democrats. We need a revolution to be free again. The Democrats have only promised more tyrany. It looks like they are getting payoffs from foreign interests. They promote homosexuality, murder of fetuses, and racial divide. They seem to profit from strife.
Recounts were conducted,including by states with Republican officials in charge. Crackpots like Rudy have promised vast troves of evidence would be forthcoming 'in a couple of days/weeks' for the past two months without producing a single piece which could be used in a court of law. Their massive lawsuits have been laughed out of every courtroom from local to the Supreme Court, with the majority of judges having been appointed by Republicans or Trump himself.
I have listened to the fear mongering by Republicans for majority of my 70+ years and none of their dire predictions has come true.
It was infiltration by Anti-Fa and/or Black Lives Matter. Also, they were a continuation of those who destroyed Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wisc.) back in the late 1940s thru the early 1950s because he was trying to rid the Gov't., entertainment and news fields of their infiltration of Communists. Sadly, they succeeded in their efforts and Sen. McCarthy died a broken man. Donald Trump is the Joe McCarthy of our time and is a hero.
lets start with facts
antifa busses were escorted by capitol police through dc
capitol police open the barricades and let them enter
you cannot just open doors into congress someone let them in
the videos all prove this, those who were in the videos were NOT conservative Trump supporters but antifa dressed up to look the part look at them - their tattoos and match them up to past antifa and blm riots pretty easy to do
why did congress write the letter blaming the so called riots on DJT ON THE DAY BEFORE THE RIOTS 1-5-2021
all these facts are readily available TO ANY WHO LOOK and wish to know the truth
Bull Crap. Not one link to your so called 'facts'
Violence NEVER accomplished anything positive. Those involved in the assault on our Capitol are indeed terrorists. Maybe we all need to learn some lessons from Ghandi and Dr. King. I have read that our Nation will survive this administration, and we will, we may not survive the electorate that empowered it.
I do not believe we will ever know the truth. The National Media is "broken" to the extent that they have a problem reporting facts or the truth. There are no true Journalist today brave enough to do the work required to present the facts truthfully. Transparency requires strength which has not been apparent. God Help us ALL.
I normally don't like to get into these non-sensical discussions, however, since becoming a "newbeeOCTO" with a 42 year military career history, through 4 grades of AF enlisted, 7-Navy enlisted grades, 4 Warrant Officer and 5-Commissioned grades, all this rioting, etc., boils down to "Political Correctness," Congressional disorganization, Congressional disrespect for the U.S. President, especially the House and 60% of the Senate!! In my youth, anything to do with the State, Federal and Law Enforcement was "Hallowed" territory and was respected with a fear of imprisonment or getting shot for trespassing or some meaningful discipline. In other words NO RESPECT for anything, anyone and especially parents. Heaven Forbid!! Corral them, line them up against a wall and shoot them!! Get rid of them incorrigible ANIMAL'S!!
It was and attempted to overthrow the American government by Trump. He invited his supporters to that rally then he and Giuliani and his sons stirred his supporters and set them to the Capital to overthrow the government. He then went back to his bunker just like Adolf Hitler and watched. When the coup failed and administration officials resigned. Then he decided to shave his own heard and concede the election.
During the summer there were riots throughout the country, businesses were looted, and historic statues torn down. There was no outrage on the part of liberals in and out of the mainstream media. Now there is outrage. When Maxine Waters told people to attack Trump supporters, no outrage. Now, people, allegedly on the "Right" demknstrate, it is a "Threat to Democracy" according to CNN. What hypocrisy.
As a proud combat veteran, I was angered and saddened by what took place in our country's center of democracy. This is the same way I felt when domestic terrorist Timothy McVeigh carried out the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The finger pointing has to stop. As veterans, we defended democracy against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I cringed when I saw a misguided individual waving a large Marine Corps banner and others waving my beloved United States flag. Many of us have visited foreign nations. For me what I witnessed in other lands made me more appreciative of my home. We are all to blame for what took place on January 6, 2021. It seems as if we have lost our moral and common sense compass. This extends to the failure to believe in and help each other as fellow citizens of democracy. We are only human, therefore, we make mistakes but turning on ourselves should not be one of them. Don't let hate and evil take over. As veterans we can make a difference by being leaders in our communities through examples of compassion, strength, volunteerism and service towards all.
I read and don't get news from the internet. I have watched the news since I was a child with my father who in the Korean war. The news has not changed as much as our people have. I still see news on all 4 main networks and bbc, and many other countries news . There is no sign they changed but if you know history FOX news does a lot of the same slants on things the Nazi party did, and the attack on our capital was so much like the one one the Reichstag by the Nazi party pre world war 2. Note that many even most groups white power groups. And we let them do it. Never before has a group been allowed except in war time to do this. It was enabled and is treason. There is no grey we all took an oath. Honor demands it to stop. Principles over made up lies. Internet garbage. Principles over pride. Be well brothers. Stand tall with respect for all.
Previous submissions have stated Antifa was responsible for the capitol riots as fact. This could not be farther from the truth.
I would like to give you the facts: Photos have identified numerous people as members of QAnon and other white supremacist groups like Proud Boys. One was a QAnon member from Arizona, one a fixture at right wing political rallies, a neo-nazi and the fellow with the Auschwitz (shame on you) sweatshirt.
The people in Nancy Pelosi's office are a reporter from Glen Beck's Blaze TV, a holocaust denier and his Nazi buddy.
There were at least six state Republican legislators who took part and the lady who was shot and killed was a San Diego QAnon believer.
I do have names associated with these photos but have withheld them for obvious reasons.
Please do not believe what certain media outlets and legislators tell you but do some research before stating that these are facts.
Blame can be placed directly on our President who has been inciting violence for the past five years and the politicians who go along with him.
It’s not like they were hiding their association when they approached the capital steps waving that QAnon flag on a pole with all kinds of Trump banners.
The bully and “I’m so perfect” attitude of entitlement of R. Trump has effectively misled many Americans, including some veterans. It is clear that one does not have to be a rational person to be a veteran. Sadly it is also the attitude of entitlement that prevails throughout the United States to day. I am not a social scientist, so I will not comment further on the how or why.
That being said, those who buy into the conspiracy rhetoric and the “used car salesman” pitch of Trump are not immune for their actions. Those that swore an oath before entering the service and then acted in the events yesterday are even more exposed to the legal ramifications of sedition and assault on the Congress. That how it should be, we will see.
We and Donald Trump have all taken oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Trump cares for no one but Trump and is forsworn.
His followers suffer from ignorance of the Constitution, a product of the failure of our schools to teach and require proof of knowledge of the Constitution.
Abraham Lincoln's observation "You can fool some of the people all of the time..." is borne out here.
R. H. Kluckhohn, Jr. (Army, Vietnam-1 tour)
President Kennedy said “Those that ride the back of a tiger are likely to end up inside”
Most of the people there seemed to just want answers why the system is not working properly. Some 'bad actors' were there, and there's a need for more training-someone got heavy on the trigger-death of a vet. I know if I was in congress I would have met them on the entrance steps and said, "You have a beef, there's a proper way to seek redress'. My congressman was there, he didn't run like a rat.rd-30-
Democrats and Harris are as much to blame as anyone. They have supported Antifa violent riots at DC and around the U.S. They have made violent protest accectable for one group so only natural another will follow. Harris was on CNN after the incident the other day and referred to ANTIFA as peaceful. Double standard from Harris, the Democratic party and mainstream media does not work. It destroys their credibility. I do not support the violence on either side but the media and Dems need to realize people see right through them.
The social and political climate in The United States over recent years, as well as the disgraceful act of Insurrection at out Nation's Capitol on January 6, 2021 are a direct result of the lack of character in all of our Nation's leaders, most certainly the current Commander In Chief, as well as all of the individuals that took part in the Insurrection, regardless of their political affiliation.
For those of you that live your life through "social media", Google the definition of "politician" and you will have your answer as to why our Nation is in the state it is in today. Politicians are not Public Servants. Political Ideologies do not serve the public interests, the needs of our nation nor it's security or sovereignty.
There is plenty of blame to go around and much work to be done. True American Patriots do not attempt to effect change of any kind through violence and hatred.